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PCGS Answers Questions About WTC Coins

So I talked this week to PCGS and to Ken from Blue Moon coins. I just had a few questions for Ken about the 1989 $1 silver wtc coins but PCGS I had  a lot of questions for them. I got on the phone with a very very nice rep. his name was peter I think his extension is #293 when you call in. He was a go getter and he of course did not know the answers to all my questions, but he did research on it and call me back. I love PCGS they are a very professional company to deal with. So here are the answers peter gave me on my questions.

1. Does PCGS have population numbers on some WTC coins?

Answer: Yes, coins with a bar code on the front is in their system and population numbers on those coins are available. In the start the coins where grade in this way, but soon PCGS reallized that some years did not have very many coins in them and to not make the coins to unique or value driven because of their low population numbers PCGS decided to not keep track of the rest of the WTC coins.

Now here are 2 coins that has a serial number on the front.

1989 wtc silver eagle2001-50-ms70

Now the 1989 silver dollar has serial number 69826.69 (.69 being the grade) so serial number 69826 and when looking the coin up at PCGS it comes back with 11 coins in MS69 and variety WTC. The other coin has serial number 9958.70 (.70 being the grade) again this coin comes up with 3 coins in the MS70 grade. So if anybody is sitting with coins that has a bar code in the front, send me pictures and I will post the population numbers.

2. Now does this mean that their could be other 1989 MS69 coins out there with out a bar code on the front ?

Answer: well yes but I don't know as PCGS has no record of coin without a bar code in the  front.

3. Can I have a list or report on all the coins that PCGS has on record with a bar code on front

Answer: After talking to the person in charge of that coins series, we do not have a record like this but any code with a bar code on front will work in the population look up tool on the PCGS website.

So I show Peter the page wtc911coins.com and he was quite impressed and I think we can count on him for more information if he has any. If anybody has more burning questions I will be happy to talk to him about it.

No to the conclusion of what he said I take it that some coins are registered with the bar code and we can find numbers on them, but more coins not registered could surface and they just don't know one way or the other. I am however glad to know a little bit more about the WTC coins than I did before I talked to Peter from PCGS.

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WTC Ground Zero Recovery 1999 5 Gold Eagle PCGS MS 69
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1993 Silver American Eagle Dollar PCGS WTC Gem Uncirculated
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WTC Coins Buyers Look Out.

This comment came in from Maelstrom and it has a lot of valid points about the PCGS error coins. Please read and be on the look out. Just as a side note the 1 of 1000 wtc coin series consist of  a 1999 $5 gold eagle MS69 and a 2001 $1 silver Eagle MS69.

By Mr. Maelstrom

Your point about someone perhaps resubmitting a “1 of 1000″ to PCGS for MS grading is a valid one. It could be that the coin failed to go MS68 or 69 and was reholdered by PCGS.

wtc 1 of 1000

wtc 1 of 1000

However, the lack of a serial number (as seen on the back of the genuine slabs from Coin Universe/PCGS)is cause for concern. One would think that PCGS would reference the original serial number on the reholdered coin, or at least provide a number or method by which you could authenticate the coin as being a genuine WTC recovery piece. Lacking that, I cannot fully embrace the concept that these are simply “error slabs” by PCGS.

It is just as likely that these are ordinary BU 2001 $1 Silver Eagles($12-$15 currently) housed in fake (Chinese) slabs. I, personally, would NOT acquire any of the “1 of 1000″ issues with the printing to the RIGHT of the word “Recovery” without a physical inspection of the holder first. To my knowledge, PCGS placed the “1 of XXX or XXXX” designations at the lower LEFT of the grading insert on ALL of the genuine limited set coins.

These seem to be showing up on ebay lately. As an example, there is one of these “errors” simply listed as a “1 of 1000″ for sale on ebay as I write this . The slab pictured is blurry and only shows the front. When I asked the seller to provide clearer pictures of the front and back of the slab, along with any serial number, his reply was that “The picture is the actual coin. I don’t see a serial number, just a designation of 1 of 1000. The back of the holder has the PCGS logo.” In other words, the blurry picture is what it is. I’m not saying that he is selling a fake coin, but I am saying that he/she won’t help me make that determination. Hopefully, the seller doesn’t even know the difference. But, BUYER BEWARE!!!

Without some official confirmation from PCGS that these “error” inserts are genuine, and/or an opportunity to physically examine the holder (look for the four ejector pin circles faintly visible at each corner of the bottom section of the holder…fakes lack them…for now), I, personally, will avoid these until they can be proven genuine.

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2001 50 25 10 5 1 Gold Eagle Bar Code Set PCGS WTC World Trade Center
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1998 WTC Recovery 1 oz Gold Eagle PCGS Gem Uncirculated Ground Zero Flag Label
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WTC 2001 $50 MS70

2001 $50 MS70

Year 2001
Material Gold 1 oz.
PCGS Certification MS 70
Population 8

From Looking up the serial number on PCGS

PCGS No Date Den Variety Desig VG F VF 40 45 50 53 55 58 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 Total Graded
(All grades)
9958 2001 $50 Eagle MS 2 3 21 104 978 8 1,116

The above chart is from PCGS showing the coin serial number when put into PCGS coin look up chart. As all the population numbers for the WTC is not know by me or by PCGS this is the best we can do.

I would say one of the best coins on E-bay right now, a 2001 $50 Gold MS70. I think its the 2nd time I see a 2001 1oz MS70 coin on E-bay first time was the full set of WTC 2001 MS70 all 4 coins. Its a great looking coin and I am sure the buyer of this coin will look at this historic WTC coin as a true steal at the current price. If you can find this coin on E-Bay look at all the WTC coins that are on there if you remember to search in E-Bay stores.

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1998 50 Gold Canadian Maple Leaf PCGS Gem Uncirculated 9 11 01 WTC Ground Zero
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1998 50 GOLD 1oz Canadian MAPLE LEAF WTC GROUND ZERO RECOVERY 9 11  PCGS UNC
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1998 9999Gold50Maple Leaf Gem Uncirculated9 11 01WTC recovery PCGS GradedOAK
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PCGS MS 69 1991 WTC 50 Gold American Eagle Rare Date Ground Zero 9 11 GAE
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2001 PCGS Gem Unc 50 1 oz Gold Eagle Coin 911 WTC Recovery Certified 1 of 269
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1 oz gold bar 1 of 426

1 oz gold bar

gold bar

Year 2001
Material Gold 1 oz
PCGS certification WTC recovery 1 of 426
Population 426

1 oz gold bar 1 of 426 found

Now this is interesting we now know that the individual that had 426 items at his box at the world trade center at least 3 of the pieces where 1 oz Suisse gold bars. The is a picture of $1 silver dollar also part of the series 1 of 426. The gold bar found under the world trade center is now world famous for having survived the cash of the world trade center buildings. Finding this gold bar under all that cement and concrete is still amazing to me.

Gold bar with serial # 174741

Each gold bar has a serial number from Credit Suisse and this is how these gold bars from the world trade center can be tracked. As no records has been made public by PCGS.

Serial number on this one is 174741 what a gold bar I would love to have one of these again

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2001 WTC Ground 0 Recovery Credit Suisse 1oz Gold Bar PCGS certified 1 of 426
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WTC Coin Look At The back

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The WTC coins comes in two different slaps the PCGS Slap and the Collectors universe slap. If you look at the back of your coins you will see what your coin is. First of all this is only coins that are graded Gem Uncirculated that can have a collectors universe back.

So the story goes like this, first all coins where grade by Collectors Universe and all coins where graded as Gem Uncirculated as Collectors Universe the parent company to PCGS could not grade the coins in the MS grading scale. The original money men behind the coins finds out that the coins are worth more if they are properly graded and after that all coins are grade by PCGS.

Well I am not sure what the story is but its a fact that coins with Collectors Universe on the back get a bit of a premium at E-Bay. There is one thing that the PCGS coins has going for them and that is that hologram you see in the picture its blue and green. This hologram has the coins serial number on it, and this means the coins are counted by PCGS and if you want to put your MS69 coin in a registry set you can.

I hope this information has been to the benefit of some collectors that did not know this.

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