Comments on: PCGS Error On Slabs from WTC http://www.wtc911coins.com/1099/pcgs-error-on-slabs-from-wtc/ WTC Recovered coins from ground zero at the World Trade Center, September 11, 2001 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 00:51:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ross http://www.wtc911coins.com/1099/pcgs-error-on-slabs-from-wtc/comment-page-1/#comment-421 Ross Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:49:45 +0000 http://www.wtc911coins.com/?p=1099#comment-421 One further comment. I see definite evidence that there are 1000 "1 of 1000" PCGS sets, each consisting of a 2001 MS69 $1 Silver Eagle and a 1999 MS69 $5 Gold eagle. There are two separate consecutive 1000 certificate # runs (bulk submissions?) that support this as follows: Qty 500 2001 MS69 $1 Silver Eagles Cert #'s: 71231974-71232473 Qty 500 1999 MS69 $5 Gold Eagles Cert #'s: 71232474-71232973 AND Qty 500 2001 MS69 $1 Silver Eagles Cert #'s: 71239453-71239952 Qty 500 2001 MS69 $1 Gold Eagles Cert #'s: 71239953-71240452 There are also in existence as indicated from the photo above additional "Collectors Universe/Gem Uncirculated" $1 Siver Eagles, marked "1 of 1000" on the flag label. Has anyone found examples of $5 Gold Eagles in CU/GU slabs marked "1 of 1000"? At this point I'm guessing not. I think the "1 of 1000" CU/GU $1 Silver Eagles are an additional "1 of 1000" single coin 'set'. Please post a reply if you have info to shed more light on this. One further comment. I see definite evidence that there are 1000 “1 of 1000″ PCGS sets, each consisting of a 2001 MS69 $1 Silver Eagle and a 1999 MS69 $5 Gold eagle. There are two separate consecutive 1000 certificate # runs (bulk submissions?) that support this as follows:

Qty 500 2001 MS69 $1 Silver Eagles
Cert #’s: 71231974-71232473
Qty 500 1999 MS69 $5 Gold Eagles
Cert #’s: 71232474-71232973

AND

Qty 500 2001 MS69 $1 Silver Eagles
Cert #’s: 71239453-71239952
Qty 500 2001 MS69 $1 Gold Eagles
Cert #’s: 71239953-71240452

There are also in existence as indicated from the photo above additional “Collectors Universe/Gem Uncirculated” $1 Siver Eagles, marked “1 of 1000″ on the flag label. Has anyone found examples of $5 Gold Eagles in CU/GU slabs marked “1 of 1000″? At this point I’m guessing not.

I think the “1 of 1000″ CU/GU $1 Silver Eagles are an additional “1 of 1000″ single coin ‘set’.

Please post a reply if you have info to shed more light on this.

]]> By: Ross http://www.wtc911coins.com/1099/pcgs-error-on-slabs-from-wtc/comment-page-1/#comment-420 Ross Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:42:07 +0000 http://www.wtc911coins.com/?p=1099#comment-420 Well, I'll be the first to admit this gets more baffling by the minute. I found another MS69 Silver eagle from the 1 of 1000 series with a PCGS number outside the previously mentioned 500 coin "cert range" (71239453-71239952). This one is # 71232364, and as it turns out falls within ANOTHER 500 coin range (71231974-71232473)! All of these 1000 coins are 2001 MS69 $1 silver eagles. I have found examples from each range slabbed as 1 of 1000 WTC coins. Dilemma: There appear to be 1000 (discrete cert number) MS69 coins labeled as 1 of 1000, yet there are also Collector's Universe/Gem Uncirculated 2001 Silver Eagles slabbed as 1 of 1000 coins. Conclusion? Could there be TWO separate 1 of 1000 sets?!! (one with PCGS MS69 slabbed coins and one with Collectors Universe/Gem Uncirculated slabbed coins?) :) Well, I’ll be the first to admit this gets more baffling by the minute. I found another MS69 Silver eagle from the 1 of 1000 series with a PCGS number outside the previously mentioned 500 coin “cert range” (71239453-71239952). This one is # 71232364, and as it turns out falls within ANOTHER 500 coin range (71231974-71232473)! All of these 1000 coins are 2001 MS69 $1 silver eagles. I have found examples from each range slabbed as 1 of 1000 WTC coins.

Dilemma: There appear to be 1000 (discrete cert number) MS69 coins labeled as 1 of 1000, yet there are also Collector’s Universe/Gem Uncirculated 2001 Silver Eagles slabbed as 1 of 1000 coins. Conclusion? Could there be TWO separate 1 of 1000 sets?!! (one with PCGS MS69 slabbed coins and one with Collectors Universe/Gem Uncirculated slabbed coins?)

:)

]]> By: Ross http://www.wtc911coins.com/1099/pcgs-error-on-slabs-from-wtc/comment-page-1/#comment-419 Ross Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:08:29 +0000 http://www.wtc911coins.com/?p=1099#comment-419 Hi Jacob, Was looking over your site and discovered another case where cert verification can give us a more detailed picture about populations. Since you were good enough to show a picture of the BACK of one of the MS69 1 of 1000 silver Eagle coins, I had a seed number to revisit PCGS's cert verification site and "dig". Turns out there are exactly 500 identical $1 Silver eagles (consecutive Cert #'s 71239453 to 71239952) which your coin picture number 71239886 falls within. Since it's identified as a "1 of 1000" coin, I would presume half were slabbed as "Collector's Univers/Gem Uncirculated" and the other half were slabbed as "PCGS with Verification Numbers". Maybe the owner of the coins requested this. Could it be that PCGS charged less for CU/GU slabbing than they did for Number grading? If so, mightened the owner say, just slab half with grading and half without, possibly to save money? I think it's interesting that exactly half got graded as a bulk submission, don't you? Anyone who thinks PCGS doesn't have detailed records of this stuff is crazy, because look at what we can find through the "back door"! Ross Hi Jacob,

Was looking over your site and discovered another case where cert verification can give us a more detailed picture about populations.

Since you were good enough to show a picture of the BACK of one of the MS69 1 of 1000 silver Eagle coins, I had a seed number to revisit PCGS’s cert verification site and “dig”. Turns out there are exactly 500 identical $1 Silver eagles (consecutive Cert #’s 71239453 to 71239952) which your coin picture number 71239886 falls within. Since it’s identified as a “1 of 1000″ coin, I would presume half were slabbed as “Collector’s Univers/Gem Uncirculated” and the other half were slabbed as “PCGS with Verification Numbers”. Maybe the owner of the coins requested this. Could it be that PCGS charged less for CU/GU slabbing than they did for Number grading? If so, mightened the owner say, just slab half with grading and half without, possibly to save money? I think it’s interesting that exactly half got graded as a bulk submission, don’t you?

Anyone who thinks PCGS doesn’t have detailed records of this stuff is crazy, because look at what we can find through the “back door”!

Ross

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